My first Arraignment was today.

Public defenders are real lawyers, mate.

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Totally agree BA, and I'm so glad to see others (as well as states) standing up and flexing their rights. We have too many with the notion that it's the Feds job to "protect" us with laws in so many ways.

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They guy had the equipment in the wrong area, sounds like he is spittin in the wind. Doesnt matter it was on the back of a pick up.

You do need a good lawyer, one who plays golf with the judge. No State Agency will help ya, OSP works for the govenor. They can do no wrong.

I may not like the rules, but have always worked with the Foresty Officials in my state. Had the law called on me too, never a citation. Did you handle the situation poorly?

Your gonna do what you would of done in the first place regardless of the court outcome. You also have set a precedent for future dredgers. How is this helping the rest of us?

You did a few things wrong, while not against the law, could have saved you a headache.

While more and more places are going under protection, there is some really bad things going on in National Forrest. Not by the law abiding people like us, but real bad guys. I stand looking at a no removal of material sign, and right across the road is a rock quarry operation. Can someone please explain that madness to me?

As for a representitve with balls. Well one got voted in and he was as worthless as the rest. I hate politics.

This is a treasure site. Guy got caught doing something stupid. He didnt help the situation by being a all knowing to the Rangers. This should have been and be handled by contacting the head of state Forestry Service and whoever made the Pollution laws. Let them know abuses are being made, get the right people involved. OSP do what they do. Forrestrys Guy do what they do. If it is their policy to make rules by bending other to their will, it needs to be public. They dont like looking like fools for this stuff, hint hint.

We are all ambassadors of out hobbys, and sometimes we have to act like one. Its still not too late.

I have had some strange visitors Homefire, most likely homeland security or archeologist. But they never approach and never catch me with my bucket, smiles. There is a fine line and sometimes we get caught. Most Enforcement Officials would rather not write a citation. There has to be a tipping balance. I learned from a young age from my father, if a policeman tells you to do something, you do it. I can write letters and get clarification later. Cowboy, let your wife do the talking next time lol.

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Yes, Homefire
The USFS cited me on Sept 26, 2011 then later dropped their charges and turned it over to OSP. They in turn cited me twice for polluting on April 26, 2012 dating the violation back to Sept 26, 2011.

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I am shocked at your attitude. "A law is a law" where the heck does it say that I am polluting by using a dredge in the laws? That's why I'm in court, to prove to these idiots that they can't keep taking away my freedoms without me fighting back. And surprisingly I'm also fighting for your freedoms as well.

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	I am shocked at your attitude. "A law is a law" where the heck does it say that I am polluting by using a dredge in the laws? That's why I'm in court, to prove to these idiots that they can't keep taking away my freedoms without me fighting back. And surprisingly I'm also fighting for your freedoms as well.

No, you're in court because you broke the law. While I agree that the law is just too intrusive and without much to back it up, I don't break the law to show my displeasure and neither should you. Grow up. Pay your fine and fight the law the way you ought to. Like a man.

YOU HAVE LOST NO FREEDOMS, mate. You have, however, demonstrated that you can become a criminal because you don't like anyone telling you what you can or cannot do. That's antisocial behavior and makes all dredge operators look like bad guys. Thanks to you, the laws will most likely be toughened, not eased.

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