My first Arraignment was today.

And those who support breaking the law are leaving in droves. Hopefully, you'll come to your senses one day.

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Please pin GD's response to top of original post. I think this has been said several different ways. We should not promote civil disobedience or breaking the law.

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    I guess that leaves me as one of the few remaining folk around here who actually condones the use of "Civil Disobedience" (the willful and deliberate violation of a law or set of laws).   However, I believe civil disobedience should be applied only against the most egregious laws and only after more reasonable and traditional means have been exhausted.   Basically civil disobedience is the last option available before armed rebellion/resistance.   Civil disobedience is an alternative (and frequent precursor) to open rebellion.   As such it should never be taken lightly or entered into for trivial reasons.  I can think of a lot more important "tyrannies" to address through civil disobedience than the one apparently at the root of this dispute.
    
Aquanut, you said "I've put GD on my ignore list. I don't need to listen to such drivel.  Good bye."    That's certainly your privilege, but by doing so you are cutting yourself off from the postings of one of the finer minds on the board -- especially when it comes to technical issues.   Seems to me like you're cutting your nose off to spite your face over a minor difference in political opinion.  Same thing applies to you Gramps.  If you want to take your ball and run because you disagree with someone over a matter like this on a forum that mostly deals with other issues, go right ahead.  You've made some good contributions in the time you've been here and you could probably make some more if you stuck around, but heck it's a free forum and YOU live in a "free" country (or at least it used to be), so go ahead--leave.  I doubt if it will cause the website to fold.   But if you change your mind and want to stay, then that's ok, too.   Just remember when it comes to politics and religion, people here do NOT have to agree with you.  AND you may not always be either right or in the majority--so deal with it.

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an alleged crime is not a crime until it is proven in a court of law (reasonable doubt), golddigger you are wrong on so many levels its not even worth reading  your posts anymore.
you say that he wouldnt be in trouble unless he broke the law and that people dont have these problems unless they did the crime?
you are WRONG again!!!!
the court system is set up in this country to protect the public and you are innocent until PROVEN guilty (end of story) it is not up for debate and all of the socialist rhetoric in the world wont change that FACT.
oh and by the way i am the president of the north central Texas chapter of the GPAA and a full time prospector/miner and i have never heard anything come from any member of any club that even remotely resembles your pro socialist views about dredging/mining,the unconstitutional violation of our rights as miners by the forestry officials, epa, blm and environmentalists (tree huggers) as well as the total disregard of mining laws which were set into law over 100 years ago.
The burden of proof is on the court not the miner/dredger and i will reinterate the fact that he is innocent until proven guilty and no matter how many times you argue and disagree with that fact you wont change it.
if you feel the need to argue this point just send me a pm and i will reply with what i really think of your views but i wont argue these facts in open forum, they stand for themselves in the law and have done so for a couple hundred years.

John

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GD if you so inured of the Socialist/Relativist way please return to OZ.  Before you do read this:

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