The Captain Kidd legend.

Yeah,......good plan! 


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(not another thing for the armchair expert?s tut )
The sheep who?s answers are so stupid and rubbish,
Im still laughing at the Jessop subject,Am I an expert yet.
like consider your self  warned

End Game

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Good god, unbelievable as to what I am reading, on a very very serious note and I am talking very honestly  (who is teaching these people what they know), Knowledge is past down from generation to generation first you are a snotty nose apprentice working for a master you then learn as much as you can and a bit more if possible until in time you become a master and have a snotty nose apprentice, That?s how knowledge is pasted down. When I was green on KIDD I asked people, and experts, and read books, I learned as much as I could from people who knew about the charts, It is true I have meet these people and have learned what they had to say and have amassed all there letters and info and over the years, and in time become like some people have done, (Become an expert on the charts) as there are people who want to know were Kidd was like Hardluck. Knowing what I know I find it hard to believe what people are saying the British museum will know the British library will know some one has in the past has told then or the have read books and they believe that they are right which I guess is there right, As luck would have it I live not far from the British library opps the British library head quarters, They are at  weatherby(I think that?s how you spell it ) that is were the main stock of there books are kept a long with a lot of other things a very hard place to get in to with out a pass,. seeing ass I have done a  job there in the past I still had that pass. Guess what ( they don?t know about the charts in any way, I did that just for Paul  A seeing as I have lots of time .all I can say is learn what is right so people who don?t know will learn, god bless and good luck to you all   

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Hmmmmm........... Anyone noticed how quiet it's got?

Thats good Paul He was starting to make even less sense then when he started.

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Hello All

Here is a statement from the head curator of the map Collections of the British Library.

'The legend of Captain Kidd's treasure maps can be traced back to a retired Eastbourne solicitor, Hubert Palmer (d.1950) who had a private museum of Captain Kidd relics and claimed to have acquired a number of trunks once owned by the Captain, in various concealed compartments of which he had discovered charts of the locations where he had deposited his treasure. He claimed to have found certain other items, including a mirror, a Bible and a box at the same time. The claims created a certain amount of press interest.

'According to a letter written by R.A. Skelton, the Head of the Map Room at the British Museum, in 1959 recalling events of 10 years previously (no copy survives of his original letter), one of the maps was brought in for inspection either by Mr Palmer or by his housekeeper. Skelton's language was extremely guarded and he commented only that the chart had been "drawn on the back of a perfectly genuine will of the late 17th century. The chart itself contained little evidence of the precise locality represented, although . . .it appeared to be somewhere in the China Sea. While the chart contained no features which would forbid us to suppose that it was drawn in the early 18th century, it had also nothing to associate it, so far as I could see, with Captain Kidd". The maps themselves, however, are dated 1669 (a period about which nothing is known of Kidd's career) and subsequent research has revealed that the cabinets in which Palmer claimed to have found the charts dated from the mid-eighteenth century and so could have had nothing to do with the Captain.

'Skelton's readiness to commit his views to paper using the extremely cautious and non-committal language characteristic of British Museum curators of his time became accepted by later writers, who may not have seen the actual document and were working on hearsay, as 'proof' that the British Museum had authenticated the maps.

'The story of the charts is further complicated by several factors:

1. At some point maps, approximately modelled on the charts 'discovered' by Hubert Palmer and in an unambiguously mid-twentieth century hand were created and one of them was photographed with a British Museum photographic scale next to it, apparently giving further weight to the belief that this particular map had been 'authenticated' by R.A. Skelton and even that the British Museum (now the British Library) actually possessed the charts.

2. A few years after Palmer's death his set of charts (or possibly the copies in a 20th century hand mentioned above) were sold to a Canadian syndicate and it seems that these are still in Canada and do occasionally surface.

3. Palmer's original charts with the mirror etc. seem still to be in England, perhaps having been inherited by the housekeeper's heirs. The mirror was presented to Prince Philip in 1955 and returned by him in 2001 to the heirs of the person who made the original presentation.

4. Various people, notably Rupert Furneaux (with whom Skelton was in correspondence in the 1960s - the correspondence is preserved with his papers in Canada), have searched for the treasure in various parts of the globe.

'For further details please consult the British Library Map Library where the relevant file is currently kept in Box File 6 in the Reading Room.'

Peter Barber MA, FSA, FRHistS, Head of Map Collections, Map Library, The British Library, 28 May 2008



Now Tony you claimed   the following in reply 27 on July 21 2010:

"On the reverse side of the document was a legal document belonging to Kidd's wife." correct?


Now answer this: Why would  Captain Kidd draw a treasure map dated 1669 on His wife's legal document? William Kidd did not marry Sarah kidd until 1691. How could he draw a treasure map on a legal document of Sara's 22 years before he even met or married her?

Your not suggesting he waited nearly 30 years to draw a treasure map?

You can see for yourself.

Captain William Kidd, Pirate, 1645-1701

Captain William Kidd married Sarah Oort 16 May 1691 in New York. Sarah was born Sarah Bradley in England circa 1645. She was married four times. Her first husband was William Cox, her second was John Oort, her third Captain Kidd and her fourth and last was Christopher Rouseby.

Sarah married William Cox in 1685, the marriage license bearing date of April 17th of that year. Four years later William Cox drowned in August 1689. John Oort was dead by May 1691 when Sarah married Captain Kidd. In 1701 Captain Kidd was sent to Newgate Prison in England. On 23 May 1701 he was hung for murder. On 4 Nov. 1703 Sarah married Christopher Rouseby. She died in New York City 12 September 1744.

[Source for the following records is New York City Wills, 1665-1707]

Now please tell me How could Kidds Charts be found in Furniture made after his death?



Apprentices are only as good as their masters Tony.

Hardluck


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