The Lost-Dutchman Mine - The Gold of Jakob Walzer & Jakob Wisner

First,

I need to correct something. It was Capt. Juan Bautista de Anza not Juan Antonio. HAHAHA It was 12:30AM sorry.

Landshark,

You say I should do my own research. I have done more than most. You on the other hand are repeating a story that was scientifically disproved twenty years ago.

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	The Dutchman was a High Grader robbing a claim, and made up the story about having his own mine to cover his thieving ways.

Maybe you can explain why, in the last 119 years, that NOBODY has been able to produce ONE piece of ore that matched the gold ore that was in the candlebox under Waltz' bed when he died??

Maybe you can explain to us just whose claim Waltz was stealing from? In all my research, I have not come across a statement from any Waltz contemporary that he was robbing anybody's claim. I have seen accounts that he was robbing a mine he worked for. If you are referring to the Vulture Mine.........see below.

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	I believe a sample of his gold was later tested to be compatible with a mining company that he worked for at one time.

I spent a couple of paragraphs explaining how that is not right. The ore was tested, but the testing showed that Waltz' Gold Ore came from no known gold source.

Not a slap at you personally, but it gets under my skin when people post things that have been proven wrong for almost 20 years, and requires very little effort to get the information correct.

Now, if your hypothesis was that Waltz didn't have a mine, and that he had just found a cache of rich gold ore left by the Peraltas, I would say that was at least possible. I don't have a problem with people believing something different than me. If you do, at least believe something that is possible, and not utterly disproved.

Best-Mike
Bear,

You are posting the same thing all over the net. CONGRATULATIONS! If you have indeed solved the riddle of the Stone Maps, then why haven't you contacted Scott Wood, Chief Archaeologist at Tonto National Forest? You should have already done that. You should have already gotten your attorney to negotiate your Treasure Trove Contract with the GSA (General Svcs Admin).

If you haven't, I don't know what you are waiting for, and I certainly don't know why you are shouting to the world on public forums.

I mean, even if all that gold doesn't interest you, think of all the people you could feed in the world with the tens of millions of dollars that treasure will bring you! You certainly don't want some dirtbag sneaking in there in the middle of the night and stealing it all for himself! That would be a travesty!

Best-Mike

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	Already done long ago...

What was already done long ago?

Mike

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Well,

I will tell you this about your chances of being granted permission to dig in Tonto National Forest:

In the 27 years since that area was made Wilderness, only one man was given permission to dig. That was Clay Worst. Clay Worst lives in Apache Junction, and has been researching the Dutchman's Lost Mine since the early 1950s. Do you honestly think you can come in with some Google Earth Pics of the Supers and they will not laugh at you?

When John Kemm (Santa Fe New Mexican) was talking about this, I gave him some advice he chose to ignore. I will now give you the very same advice;

Come down and spend some time in the mountains. Physically go to the spot you claim the Stones lead to or where the DLM is. Get some REAL evidence and then make an appointment to see Scott and present it to him. Scott has been working and playing in that area for the last 35 years or so. If your evidence makes any sense, he will assist you in navigating the sea of red tape. Until you have actually stepped foot in the Supers, NOBODY and I repeat NOBODY will take you seriously, no matter how seriously you take yourself.

Best-Mike

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		Quote:			Posted by The Bear
	Gollum;  It's is not my intention to offend anyone. But could it be so hard to sit back and look at things from another mans perspective. Just because SO many, have spent SO many years looking for these places and all doing it in the same way, then would it not be resonable to think, that a new way of seeing things may be the way to read the signs?  If you guys saw what I know, you wouldn't have any doubt what so ever, that I am right. But, since you were fast to judge me without even a thought to even offer to help and see what it was I knew. I know who I need to show the proof to (THANKS TO YOU ALL ). It will be them, that will see my proof. At that time. I will laugh last  .

QB,

You are but one in a VERY LONG LINE of people claiming the very same thing since right after Jacob Waltz died in 1891. The Dutchman's Lost Mine has been called the most found lost mine of all time, but even with so many people finding it, NOT ONE has been able to prove it.

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	If you guys saw what I know, you wouldn't have any doubt what so ever, that I am right.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, I would be a wealthy man! HAHAHA

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I thought it was off limits to treasure hunt in the area???

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