Captain Kidd Treasure Charts!!

Believe me - They won't!


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Well, Paul has a point that a pirate or anyone in general who buries treasure doesn't need to write down a map if he wants to retrieve what he buried himself later on.

There was one succesfull expedition to Cocos Island retrieving treasure back in around 1910 from what I remember but I can't recall where they were using a map.

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Christian

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A little more:

1st Map

Hill ? Cutler (Antique dealer) was well known as a ?Bit of a rogue?

The Bureau in which the first ?Kidd map? was found dated to the mid 1700S!

How did Palmer find the map so easily?  You would have though Hill-Cutler would have thoroughly inspected  the  bureau before selling it on?

 The inscription on the bureau runner W.K. 1669 (1669?) is blatently a later addition.

The dating on the chart is wrong  too (1669?)

X marks the spot? ?? ?Treasure Island? ........again??..

2nd Map

Hill-Cutler (again)

Once again, Hill-Cutler fails to find the ?Hidden Map?

The inscription on the chest is nearly right this time?. 1699, however, why a black flag and cutlass engraved on the lid from a man who swore to his dying breath that he was never a pirate and was acting under licence?

The Map is found hidden inside a book dated 1662 (remember, H-C is an antiques dealer) inside a false bottom secured by ?Cleverly disguised screws? ? Err?? screws weren?t in use until the mid 1700?S!!

3rd Map

Hill-Cutler is involved yet again (Can you see a pattern developing here?)

Apparently, a ?Dan Morgan? an ?old sea dog? from Bristol has replied to an advertisement placed by Hill-Cutler for ?Kidd stuff?

?"Respected sir,
As you seem keen for pirate stuff I have dug up something out of my attick wich may suit you it is a bit more Kidd stuff and hope you will like it I have been told Kidd was a kind gent and was murdered but when you see this thing I think you will say he was only a Bloody Pirate and deserved all he got I will try and hoble down end of the week sir so heres to 15 men on the dead mans chest and dont forgit the rum ile hav som you bet after the deal.
your obedant servant.
Dan Morgan?

(good grief??. Jack Sparrow couldn?t have done better!)

Well, well, well?.. a bit more detail on the map this time (a definite pattern appearing now?..)

4th Map

To Palmers Joy he now discovers the ?Key Map? inside a work box inscribed ?William and Sarah Kidd their box 1699? (1699 again?did Kidd have all his furnishings made in 1699?)

The map now has even more detail (or pure fantasy depending how you look at it)
Straight from the pages of ?Treasure Island?!

And the clincher is??? ?Smuggler? is NOT a term that would have been used in 1699!
?Smugglers? would have been referred to as ?Owlers? or ?Roquists?

My opinion ? Poor old Palmer was well and truly conned by H-C.
In an effort to save his reputation he carried on the legend and probably made a few quid out of it too!






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Hello James,

well, I think Pual has a point there. A theory doesn't not need to be proven in teh first place but it will become weak once it can be proven to be in accurate or better say falsified.

Another famous pirate treasure is that of La Buse who threw his code into the gathered people who had come for his hanging. However it remains very questionable up to today where it was just his last trick to know that peopke would possibly keep on searching for a non existing treasure even hundreds of years after his death.

I am not an expert on Kidd's treasure but from my own expirience as a treasure hunter I nowadays first start to argue why the treasure can't exist rather than to argue why it has to exist. This may sound negatuive but safes a lot of energy and efforts.

Just take the so called Yamashita treasure on the Philippines. The late Robert Curtis was the only person having had access to the 170 something "original" treasure maps. However he did not discover a single (land based) treasure within several decades and stopped looking for them at the end as he had concluded THE so called Yamashita treasure never existed.

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Christian

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Hello James,

I fully agree to you that there were pirates who buried treasure - while I think that many of them would immediately have spend their booty.

I am just very suspicious of any kind of treasure map. I think we must always question the authenticiy of so called treasure maps.

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Christian

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